We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. "height": 57 My lift drifts down when the pto stops.. Look at the 8N link that goes down to the valve. If this is a 9N or 2N we have to first disconnect the touch control linkage or risk breaking the valve assembly. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. Go just a little too far and you will get several gallons of fluid in the face or running down your arm as you frantically try to thread the plug back in. It appears you have just learned this to be true! When it stops, tighten the plug. I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. I do see it is bent as well. I'll hold off on that and try without first. Contact Us Remove the top cover and place it bottom side up on the workbench. Then, wet some rags & stuff them in the cover to catch the shavings when you grind it back down. John Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. First, it causes rust and corrosion. Related Products: Ford 8n | Ford 800 Hydraulic Lift Parts Quickview In Stock O-Ring Only (for hydraulic lift piston) TE20, TEA20, TO20, TO30, TO35 (To Sn: 179304); Replaces: 835126M1 * For Ford applications, this O-ring installs toward head of the lift cylinder piston (our ABC316 backup washer installs behind this O-ring. I did take a look at it before I put it back together. "dateModified": "2015-06-09", You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. 2 - Did it freeze last night? Find the worn pin. }, Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. If someone has substituted bolts where there should be pins, replace them with the correct hardware. I did a lot of work on the first one, so I'm familiar with how they work, but I've never encountered this problem. I would cut a big V into the crack and weld it with a 7018 rod. All Tradenames and Trademarks referred to on these web pages are the property of their respective trademark holders. I replaced the pin, but still need to order Zane's jig to properly adjust. Ice could block passages that allow oil to get into the pump. Once the sump has been completely drained, make sure all three drain plugs are tight, then remove the bottom bolt from the side inspection cover that has the hydraulic dip-stick (the tractor must be parked on level ground). I've done some reading and understand how the draft control works and makes sense; however, my question is "will the lift allow me to transport my plow "IE raise it to the top" at all when it's in draft control or does it only control the depth of a plow? Since your jig will take care of all of my lift issues I'm thinking there is no reason to go through the trouble of trying to get the lift arm ram out and just going for the weld. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. The shifter is a ball and socket that seals well. "author": { Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! Don't put your body under or in line with any force you are employing. Dirt and other contaminants collect in the fluid and there is no filtration to remove them. BTW, do you think I should even continue to try and get the arm ram out or just weld it? It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. If the knock is faint you can probably put off repairs for quite a while. Mar 12, 2013. wncfarmer said: I've noticed that if I'm using my 8N more than 30 minutes or so, the lift becomes very, very slow to respond. "@type": "Person", Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. (2) Put the position control lever in the forward or draft position. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm hoping the relatively light duty work will make the weld option more viable. Water in the hydraulic fluid is very bad. Figured that out after I sent the last message. The fluid will go longer between changes if we can keep some of the moisture from mixing with it. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. Pivot pins was mentioned. You obviously know a lot more about welding than I do. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. This is also usually sold as 80 or 90 weight. Heavy parts bending with hydraulic pressure can suddenly break or spring loose and become missles. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" Make an honest estimate of the hours your tractor is used each week. Any suggestions? Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! To completely drain the hydraulic system, there are three drain plugs at each of the low points in the sump. Luckily the tractor gets little work. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. "width": 200, I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. Hi All- this is rookie question. It is impossible to adjust the 8N lift with the instructions in most manuals. Look for leaks coming from above. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! If it won't go easy, stop and figure out why. "publisher": { If it is wear can I just rotate the plunger 180 and put the non worn side against the pin? My lift went up but now it wont go down.. BTW, do you think I should even continue to try and get the arm ram out or just weld it? John It must be straight. Remove the right inspection plate that has the hydraulic dip-stick. FORD 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 601 800 TRACTOR LIFT CONTROL LEVER 9N512A . I've done this with the seat removed, laying on the tractor, with an arm in each hole. It helps to have something like a block of wood under an elbow or a floor jack to help hold the pump when it does not go in perfectly on the first try. It is hard, but not impossible, to do both with only one pair of hands. Of course, once you diagnose the problem you still need to fix it! Wrong? Looking for some advise on an issue with Ford 800. Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? Control Arm Adjustment (1) Place the hydraulic control unit upside down. ", ZANE THANG & STUFF It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig Now Zane, that sounds like a challenge that I'm up to. A premium full-synthetic that says it "MEETS" NH-410B (M2C-134D) is going to be the most expensive option, but it is also going to be the best all-season fluid and lubricant. You can remove the piston fron the cylinder by applying a little compressed air to the oil inlet hole in the cylinder. I have a friend that has your jig (or, I should say purchased one). Nov 11, 2020 / 3 Point Lift Lever "stop?" #9 Tinhack How did you adjust the draft and position control mechanism? Do you see that as well or just my original post and your responses? There has got to be a better way. Make sure the rod is connected and that it is moving the control valve spools in and out as you move the lift control lever up and down. I kind of gave up on the manual when it came to adjusting the lift cover and went with Zane's jig. Any suggestions? Thanks. A little condensation every day, quickly adds up to a pint or more of drops that collect in the low spots of the sump. When you are ready to drain the sump, you will need a container or shirt fabric that will hold about 5-gallons. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Tightening the nut increases the force required to move the lever. If my brother-in-law has any luck with that I'll use your suggestion on cutting the arm ram off. If the oil looks milky, its got water in it. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. Or do I need to move it to "position Control" to transport my plow? ditto that. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. No warm-up needed on cold winter mornings to get the lift to work. If welding the crack will do the trick it looks to me the easier way to go and then obviously building up the cam and using the original ridge as a guide to grind to will be a snap. After yesterday I don't have a clue how I could get the ram arm out. Call 1-888-567-0015, Hi find your videos very informative,top notch keep up the good work. You must log in or register to reply here. Required fields are marked *. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. And does it come out from the top or bottom?? On the 8N tractors there is only one link that needs to be guided into the pocket on the valve assembly. I also checked the length of the constant draft control spring, and adjusted the position control spring to the specified 1 29/32 inches. Pic attached. Any water in there will almost immediately start running. Yes. ", }, Here is the pic. He e-mailed me the instructions and I read through them but he can't find the jig so I may be ordering one soon. While the 8N piston originally came with steel rings, many have been upgraded with a Jubilee style o-ring. Any comments would be welcome. I have pulled the pump and cleaned the pump cavity. However my problem on my 51 8n is the lift arms go all the way up and wont go down unless I let it set for several days. At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. To check these, leave the side cover off and start the tractor. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I was wondering if someone had bent it intentionally as a fix . Are you having trouble with your Ford 8N hydraulics? Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? Learn how your comment data is processed. While reinstalling saw this significant crack in the lift ram arm. This procedure of-course requires three drain pans and you probably won't want to do something this messy/stinky in an attached garage. So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. How to Remove and Rebuild a Ford 8N Hydraulic Pump Carving A Path 65K views 2 years ago Ford 2N 9N Tractor Position Control kirk -NJ 40K views 4 years ago Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us. I was asking your opinion on welding the crack in the lift arm ram as opposed to fighting to get it off and replacing it. Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. I do see it is bent as well. Check the pump pressure as outlined in the I&T FO-4 manual. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. My Pa's 8N had those for both the lower stop and the upper stop. "datePublished": "2001-10-31", LeRoy, my 1951 8n had not been started for 4 years. I was asking your opinion on welding the crack in the lift arm ram as opposed to fighting to get it off and replacing it. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. Any improvement will help. No leaks, and no indication of suction, could be stuck valves or something major broken in the pump. This is easy to check just remove the side door and watch the oil move. Some people recommend flushing the system with kerosene or diesel fuel. If you have deep scratches and do not want to spend the money to replace the entire cylinder assembly you should use the cast iron rings and live with the small leakage. Straightening and repairing the lift arms and other hardware is mostly just time and energy. $14.99 . Have a fairly heavy weight or load on the lift arms. The control lever and quadrant moves the valve spools on the pump to control the lift. Draining water as it collects in the sumps can help to extend the fluid change interval, but fluid does not last forever. It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:49:31 06/09/15. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. All N-Series Tractors - Ford-Ferguson 9N, 2N, and Ford 8N. BTW, did you see my bent control arm pic? Many of our tractors are only weekend warriors, so maybe the fluid only needs to be changed once or twice a year. When the air cools moisture condenses on all those cool metal surfaces inside the sump. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. Make sure the oil level isnt low. HYDRAULIC TOUCH CONTROL LEVER. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. Should the cam be smooth across its width? Terms and Privacy Policy, Shows and EventsF/FCA ShowsFeatured ShowsPrevious F/FCA Shows, ServiceMaintenance & RepairsOriginal AccessoriesSherman TransmissionsSpecifications & Data, Equipment RegistryEarly 9N by S/NRoad Maintainer Registry, Restorations150 80N Show Tractor47 8N Restoration8N Funk Conversions8N LawnmowerSOS LawnmowerSt Jude 8n ProjectWorthington Tractors. On 8N tractors the ball on the linkage rod just pulls right out of the socket as the top cover or pump are removed. I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. See the next question. The 3-point lift will pick up a lot more weight close to the tractor, than it will out on the end of a boom pole. Epoxy? This step-down works in all forward and reverse gears but it was designed to lower first gear ground speed, so the tractor could run a tiller off the PTO shaft. A really hard freeze could actually crack something. It should be straight. $97.57 $101.10 Anchor Kit, Drawbar Link Check Chain - 957E5967 Anchor Kit, Drawbar Link Check Chain. }, Movement of the control valve arm should begin at the start of movement of the hydraulic touch control lever. Maybe not true. I do see it is bent as well. Reassemble the linkage and adjust as per the shop manual instructions. I have the same problem. To raise the plow pull touch control all the way up to raise the plow. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Troubleshooting the 8N Hydraulic Lift . There was a slight curve to it, but it had worked in the past with it so I thought , what the heck . Bending the control arm is a lazy man's fix for a worn cam follower pin. }, At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well Is the control arm straight? As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. It should be set so that it requires a pull of 4 to 5 pounds on the knob to move the lever. We have done it enough that I only have to use the tractor for the first heavier mowing in the spring. "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=118401", ", If the hydraulics dont go up at all, its likely that the ball socket is the problem (worn out or jumped out of place). I cant seem to find if this is one solid tube? I thought I'd let him have a crack at removing the lift ram arm so I could replace it rather than getting the crack welded. Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see OK,OK step one first. You are using an out of date browser. } Water isn't flowing thru a damaged shifter boot into the sump. Loosen the 4 bolts holding the quadrant control lever bracket to the top cover. Wear them enough and you forget you have them on. I previously posted a pic of the crack. 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