I read this post and it clearly paints a picture to me that maybe others see differently. Yes. Not because I'm being argumentative {after all, I am the current holder of the Consensusinidem award of the most pedantic know it all on the TLB blogs } but because I'm curious.Her background should have had a greater impact Well, during the 11 days she was grilled by the defence, we learn a lot of stuff about Linda Kasabian. Manson Mythos saidThe recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? Not only that, they all happened to be dramatic and under the surfaces lurks alternative and more reasonable possibilities.For example: Bugliosi had a problem. Everyone can form their own about Linda. I don't know.Q. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. While she has a husband who is knocking off some other woman and she's worried about her child. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. It Gets Charlie off the hook. Which has always left it an open ended mystery as to what Charlie told him. Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. But kids were revered in the Family which made Tonya safer. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. He knew the revolutionary struggle had to abandon the failed policies of men like Martin Luther King, the 'old' left and even the 'new' left. "HS in it's entirety, with all it's separate parts and attendant packages were clearly part of her thinking.Dreath saidI still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or somethingIn her 2011 hearing, she said "When I went to the house with Tex (inaudible), I should have immediately left. No other reason." WOW! Better yet how about asking Dr. Galloway? And let's take it a step further - let's only have sympathy for the good looking, and also for those making 100K.Saint, my ass. To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. Bob was living in Topanga Canyon with a man named Charles Melton. Hippies were generally viewed as only a couple of notches above the Family {who were themselves viewed as Hippies}. Obama just pardoned a woman who was serving "life" in Federal prison for helping a friend to launder some "drug" money.So what can possess an otherwise normal human being to gamble with THEIR entire life on this earth, which is likely to be the REAL heaven. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do??? Millie McCormack. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. So that's who I listen to. I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. Many people came into the family and many left. Manson wasn't talking. and the reward]A. I cannot say a definite time because, as I said before, I had no concept of time when I was there. Before goofball goes off on Hollywood did I hear her initially say 'she shouldn't have been there'? Lets say Charlie did orchestrate the crimes and he had some private or secret motivation only a very few were aware of. Or for purposes of this blog do they show an alternative narrative to what is the official narrative. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. On a different note: RH- nice post. Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. Memory is sometimes very specific and other times more general and at other times, not at all. She had four children. As Linda heard people screaming for their lives, she ran to the main house. But that wasn't what that was about.It isn't so much a case of lying about witness as much as emphasizing anything positive you can find lurking in the scum. I'm not even convinced 100% she was ever standing on that sidewalk nor am I convinced she wasn't inside the house (yes, I see the inconsistency). You are correct. The twenty-year-old girl was arrested in New Hampshire yesterday on a fugitive warrant for Los Angeles police who want to question her in connection with the murder of . Her testimony eventually led to their conviction. Dreath saidGrim, I have to disagree with you a bitOnly a bit ? "I was a half-assed nothing". You'd do it if you were a lawyer ! She married, divorced, remarried, and gave birth to a daughter in 1968. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. When her second marriage started to deteriorate, the article stated that Linda and Tanya moved back to New Hampshire to live with Joyce. But Bugliosi's write up of it makes it sound like a sensational groundbreaking moment that was obvious to all.I was made to live in Nigeria at the age of 14 without being informed {I was on holiday}. That means a lot. Saint- I commend you for your deletions. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. lol your insight is interesting reading.. Strike 1! MM, Should I assume you don't believe Manson is innocent of any crime and are arguing motive and reasons testimony is weak, etc, a lot of which I probably agree with? But1. Do you remember last years motive poll ? I never could figure out a way any of them would have ben acquitted (Thank God!). Leslie and Linda did not grow up any worse than thousands of other kids. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; She was in search of love, freedom and God. At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job.AND it will NOW likely come out that "joining a local police force" was the perfect safe-haven for those WHO only thought of themselves - FIRST.IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might find.Like Johnny MaCain, our GREASTEST surviving war HERO shot down from HIS airplane in Vietnam. It'll take a while for me to digest it. In the most beloved profession in America we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness stand. Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? Of course, I never thought she was an innocent flower child, like VB made her out to be, but he needed her as a witness. As these are total strangers- I feel pity only for those who actually deserve it. Eventually, she. The stuff written at Waverley gave the prosecution case legs, backbone and a gravitas it might not otherwise have had.Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter SkelterAlso important and true. Pat, in Guinn's book, presents herself as not wanting the murders to happen, going so far as to say that the following night at Waverley, before anthing happened with Rosemary, she prayed to God, asking him to make the murders stop and since she went ahead and exercised her own free will in participating in carnage and mutilation and God didn't strike her down and stop her, Leslie or Tex, she's not believed in God since that night.And she has a problem with Linda presenting herself as not being a willing participant.As a side issue, if Linda hadn't been at the car when they arrived at it after Cielo's action, would they have just driven off and left her ? The Clinton supporter saying people blindly follower a liarLOL.Despite her being responsible for mass destruction and chaos over seas, the death of thousands, creation of a monstrous terrorist organization and lying to the American people and blaming Trump for a rise in animosity towards the west and not her own war crimes.Try looking beyond the headlines and surface and try to use that brain. It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. She mentioned to the Grand Jury that there were to be 2 death squads. It is amazing to me how many people express feelings such as sympathy about people like Leslie and Linda Good, bright people in some cases?? Why ?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important questionYou make it sound like he made it up ! I can't see what some of those details would substantially change. This might have been tried as a felony murder case like Van Houten III. In fact, one strangely consistent matter during the entire investigation was that of Linda being "the one that didn't kill anyone." How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? She had married a man named Robert Kasabian and given him a daughter with a second child on the way. This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. There wasn't enough room in the car for Cappy to go, so WHY didn't SHE just hitch a ride down to the hamburger stand, slit a throat and steal some fries ? Dont know about license but she did live in nadhia likre you said my mother cashed her welfare checks back in the 70s.She was shocked to see her. So you are relying on two witnesses that are diametrically opposed as to this event. You said Kreneinkle said it. I personally think if you wrote the HS motive out of this Manson ends up exactly where he is. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. Dreath saidyou have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficultIf by that you mean that I seem to jump around on the subjects and quotes I'll comment on, that's true. Thank you very much, Lynn. Robert,Thank you for the clarification. The same night, Manson instructed Linda Kasabian to take part in killing of actor Saladin Nader herself. She told Richard Caballero that on LaBianca night, there were to be 2 death squads. We don't know you wouldn't strangle a Granny or torch a house while it's occupants are asleep.We don't know she didn't take part in acts of violence. That change must include the BPPs Ten Points. You can barely hear the dialogue and the transcript is full of "(Unintelligible)" and there are things she actually says that are not written in the transcript. 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