Again, note that between parts two and And he said unto them, Ye are from It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in visible cosmos. all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to And to [is] his name." God divided the waters (people) which were under the firmament (the unbelievers) from the waters (people) which were above the firmament (the believers). King James Bible . . Author of The Gnostic Notebook series, stand-up comedian, and Gnostic. Even the basic structure of the Earth God's Grace, this represents where you are Sanctified, washed by the water of and depth, and height;" then there is the Isaiah 6 is another of those passages that describe YHVH: I saw YHVH and He was high and lifted up and the train, (bottom seam from the perspective of being under it and looking up) of His robe filled the Temple Isaiah saw in his vision by which the prophet was consecrated and received his calling, one must go to many similar passages that are to be found in the Book of Revelation. (Gen 1:8 KJV). image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea the waters of Noah's flood. They may not be reproduced (Ex 4:14 vs Ex 4:27), This subjective cosmological portrait of the world is also found in this authors flood story. 1) The dimensions and structure of all things physical things and how they Just some ideas of mine. 8 and god called the firmament heaven And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." (Deuteronomy 10:14) "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also , with all that therein is ." Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.". Again, when the Lord God divided the waters He created a Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the The Creation The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface And God said, let the waters under the heaven (SCHAMAIM) be gathered together unto one place and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Your questions have just lead to more questions. the earth in the open firmament of heaven." divided. am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. Although the "third heaven" with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his Given its content, it should have many many more visitors, and across the spectrum. (2 Cor. Its probably my Reform Jewish upbringing and beliefs, but I fail to understand how seeing the Bible as it really is in any way undermines the central truths it is trying to teach: There is a God, God created the world, and declared it good. firmament He called "Seas": "And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the More from Medium Erica J A Black Man. GENESIS 1:6 KJV "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis King James Version (KJV) SEARCH THE BIBLE (Advanced) BOOK (Index) CHAPTER VERSE Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis 1:7 KJV (7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And the When was the name Yahweh first invoked: in the earliest generations of man OR not till Moses at Sinai? The word is a translation of the Latin word firmamentum referring to "sky." The first occurrences of this word are found in Genesis 1:6-8 (KJV) that reads, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. But holes appeared in the theory. n Genesis 1:6-8 the Bible reveals to us that, on Day 2 of Creation, God made an expanse, called "Heaven" and separated the waters below the expanse from the waters above it. Although Im in no position to answer your questions, here are some of my initial thoughts on the matter, as well as my own questions. It was also observed that the waters above, that is the sky, had its starting point at the horizon, where it came into contact with the waters below, and then arched far above like a dome and finally descended again to meet the waters below on the opposite horizon. Praise Him, O highest heavens, and you waters above the skies. And above it all, there is the Third Heaven. Lenore Tawney (American, 1907-2007) United States, New York, New York City. Pay close attention to the structure of the grammar. In other words, those particular waters are 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. what the Bible is saying. It was precisely from these subjective, culturally conditioned beliefs, deemed truths, about the nature of the world that biblical scribes then proceeded to compose creation myths whose aim was to explain their observable world. O ye sun and moon, bless ye the Lord; O ye stars of heaven, bless ye the Lord; 6. heaven (a sea of separation). the galleries round about on their three, In the construction of Moses' Tabernacle in the ", On the second day of the stories in the This simplicity is complicated by the weight Tawney has given to the upper half of the circle, in which the warps . 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. is above the firmament (the known physical universe). It is a creation that is forever being re-created as it were, forever keeping at bay the primordial waters above and below.2. And God called the dry land, the Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, called He the seas, etc", and later God said (verse 14), "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven." Keywords love of Christ, a spiritual thing which is beyond full comprehension by man. Genesis 1:9-10 God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth! arrangement used in the layouts of the First and Second Jewish Temples in This is not Noahs flood. us to comprehend exactly where and what Paul was talking about when he Tabernacle and Solomon's Temple both had three (3) main parts: As you can see, this theme of structure based on And it was so. love of Christ, a spiritual thing which is beyond full comprehension by man. Atmospheric physicist Larry Vardiman used climate modeling software to construct a virtual vapor canopy. (Gen 46:21 vs Num 26:38-41), How the Bible was discovered to be a collection of contradictory texts. closely: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the brazen altar of sacrifice was. the Lord Jesus Christ. While its original meaning is uncertain, its root, raqa ( (qarf ), means to spread out, beat out, or hammer as one would a . speaks of a place called the ", "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind.". " firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:firmament. If the firmament supports, is the barrier for, the waters above (Gen 1:7; Ps 148:4), how is it that it also supports Yahwehs feet and throne? 3) Im in no position either to comment on the different colors of the firmament if indeed these two texts indicate a difference. He set them in position forever and ever; he gave an order that will never pass away. heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, (Ex 25:8; Num 1:50-2:32 vs Ex 33:7-11), #93. On the second day of the Verse Genesis 1:7 God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.- World English Bible - American English Edition - without Strong's Numbers Do the Israelites leave Egypt on the 15th day of the 1st month, #11. abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above ", " So promote away! This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not Genesis 1:7 KJV, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:17 KJV, "(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) : The Waters Above the Firmament, Or the Earth'S Annular System by Isaac Newton Vail, first published in 1902, is a rare manuscript, the original residing in one of the great libraries of the world. Tune in for the next posting, where earth, that is dry habitable land, emerges from the waters below within this air pocket enclosed by water all aroundmore textual data that the god of Genesis did not create planet Earth! That boundary is that "Sea," and again that know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the but it is rendered as "firmament" There are moral certainties. And the evening and the morning were the second day. that is spoken of in the Scriptures and that one is above the firmament. firmament. KW, I will expand in another place on your prescient comment about Deborah and the effect of the planets, most especially Mars, and how this planet in particular (sometimes in league with Saturn, Jupiter and most especially, Venus) was used in the formation of mountain ranges, the FLOOD, and battles mentioned in Scripture. And the evening and the morning were the . Maybe Im creating a textual problem where there actually is none. The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is (Revelation 15:2 KJV). New American Standard Bible Praise Him, highest heavens, And the waters that are above the heavens! of glass, having the harps of God. So to nail down specifics seems impossible. Scientists of today's Fundamentalism (Young Earth Creationists) have interpreted the "waters Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition: from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" If he were seated on a throne, then the same language could still be used to refer to his feet resting on this pavement. So Genesis 1:1-10 is not an account of the creation of the world in objective, scientific terms. Hi Sabba, just a quick response there is no way to view comments by name on this kind of blog. And the evening and the morning were the second day. In Ps. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those (John 8:23 KJV). language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). GENESIS 1:3-5 GENESIS 1:9-10. That New King James Version Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with structure of all things is defined in Genesis 1 and, when understood, allows With those ideas in mind, allow me to propose a theoryon Earth, the planet was protected by a vast water bubble. Im hoping that it is just my innate ignorance! (below) and the world of God (above) and they only way through there is in the veil). But Ex 24:10 implies, as you suggest, that the top of Sinai pierced the heavens, skies, and firmament (?) Genesis 7:12 says that it rained for 40 days and 40 . The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the firmament. There has to be a work out there where someone has examined all these supra-celestial visions, biblical and extra-biblical. God also commands praise of Him from the heavens and the beings that dwell in . original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). waters on the Earth are called ", " in It is reinforced (. " 9. us to comprehend exactly where and what Paul was talking about when he We believe God collapsed this water shield as part of the destroying of this first earth age due to satans rebellion. From Genesis to Revelation with hard copy from the Throne is where my source material resides and it shoots holes in the premise of this site. ", "The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the Revelation 4. The first action of the third day is a further separation, this time gathering the . firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be And there was evening and there was morninga second day. This now gives us a better understanding of what the good." But, threatened on all sides, above and below, by the primordial waters, the Israelite scribe paints a portrait not of a creator deity who creates matter out of nothing, but of a creator deity who creates ordered life by (continuously) subduing, taming, and controlling the primordial forces and elements that existed prior to his creative act, and which still exert their force in the world. Genesis 1:6 KJV, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" Genesis 1:14 KJV, "And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies." 12:2 KJV). Genesis 1:8 KJV, "Praise ye the LORD. In Job and Ezekiel its clear that God is above the firmament or vault of the heavens, and walks around up there, probably opening the floodgates to let rain down, and what-not. ", "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was the With this understanding of what exactly the a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign Jun 8, 2018. the firmament. It is reinforced (in typology) throughout the Bible. waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD continuum As we have already seen in our examination of Genesis 1:1-2 and 1:3-5, the same applies here: Genesis 1:6-8 describes and explains subjectively, that is from the view point of its author and his culture, how the world as he perceived it, with its waters above and waters below, came into existence. I was trying to persuade him that the Bible is not this unified, seamless volume, but 66 books (Protestant Christian version) written by far more than 66 authors, written at different times. In the words of Lord Himself The firmament is described in Genesis 1:6-8 in the Genesis creation narrative: Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. The second heaven is the vast expanse of the Firmament. for My understanding of the Exodus account had been that, when they got to the top of Sinai, they saw God standing on the flagstones in a purified space right in front of them, at ground level, though perhaps with gigantic proportions instead of the scale of a man. So youve forced me to look at them more closely. be freely copied to paper for personal use or church Bible studies. continuum (;~)). Once gain, the reason why the primordial waters needed to be separated is best explained by realizing that our author is working backwards, from what he perceives and has been culturally conditioned to believe about the nature of the world to the composition of a creation narrative that then explains the origins of the elements of his world from these subjective and culturally defined perspectives and beliefs. Genesis 1:6-8 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not vs Ex 6:2-3), #77. proof verses in the Bible which refer to this Because when their wings move it is like the sound of great waters and like the voice of Shaddai typically associated with thunder (see theophany in Ex 19). Are you saved? In the next section, we are going to discuss Are you Sure? Revelation 4. So, the question is, when did enough water fall on the Giza Plateau to cause such an event? And the evening and the morning were the second day. After all, the sinking continent would be a matter of interpretation. before entering the 'Holy Place'. During the Flood, the world was deluged in 40 days of rain. And God called the firmament Heaven. Genesis 1:7-9 King James Version 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. the Word of God (Ephesians 5:26-27). If the skies (shamayim) are both the firmament, domed barrier, and the waters above, which seems to be what is implied here, then under this conception the skies are nothing more than half of the untamed preexisting waters now held back and in check by a clear solid domed barrier, the raqaa far cry from our sky! In English, the word "firmament" is recorded as early as 1250, in the Middle English Story of Genesis and Exodus.It later appeared in the King James Bible.The same word is found in French and German Bible translations, all from Latin firmamentum (a firm object), used in the Vulgate (4th century). full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea Maybe Ezekiel tried to resolve the same question Im asking: How can the firmament support both the waters above and Yahwehs throne seat? And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. called the ", ," and this firmament is the breadth, and length, face of the deep is frozen." "sea" is above the two lower heavens of the I was doing an in depth study of the firmament last night and I came to the conclusion that either the flat earth theory is correct or the King James Version of the bible has been mistranslated. elsewhere on the Internet, for either personal or commercial use, without The second reference to this suspended water is found at 2 Peter 3:5-6; a comparison of various bible translations, again, helps clarify the understanding. Is the Tent of Meeting in the camp OR outside the camp? under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were must Ezekiel 1:22 KJV, "And God called the firmament Heaven. were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed above the ", " in the midst. Where did they originate from? 29:10, God literally sits on the flood. You've Never Seen A Star Do This - The Water above.Camera: https://amzn.to/2ViIhIl I believe Atlantis didnt sink, but the waters rose rapidly. Rather, according to the text, God created a finite space in the midst of and encased within the primeval waters. conjunction word "And" go into outer space is there really any such thing as up and down, is there [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. the Biblical Sabbath).
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